(1) 발언권자 제한: 회의 진행자 1인(@jayplayco), 스팀 재단 관계자 1인(미정), 트론 재단(저스틴 선), 스팀 증인 대표 1인(미정), 한국 커뮤니티 대표 1인(미정) (2) 토의 내용은 누구나 확인할 수 있음.
(1) A total of 5 people only can speak (type comments) - @jayplayco (the host), 1 representative person from Steem Foundation (TBD), Justin Sun (representing Tron Foundation), 1 representative person from the previous witnesses (TBD), 1 representative person from the Korean community (TBD) (2) Anyone can see the conversation via joining our Discord group.
토론 일정 및 세부 내용이 정리되는 대로 추가 토론 세션을 다시 공지하겠습니다. We will announce the schedule the upcoming discussion session when all the details are confirmed.
참고로, @proxy.token 측에서 스팀 재단에 요청한 스팀 발전 계획(로드맵)은 금일 공개되었습니다.(https://steempeak.com/steem/@steemalliance/steem-foundation-proposed-roadmap)
We noticed that Steem Foundation has announced its proposal (roadmap) today, which was what we (@proxy.token) requested for them.
Please let us know the representative person from each party (Steem Foundation, Tron foundation, Steem witnesses, and Korean community) who will join the panel discussion. Please make a Steemit post that addresses the selected person to represent and topic items that you want to discuss, and comment the post URL here.
Here are some questions I'd like to see asked,
What changes will be made to avoid future coups?
How will we fund development without Stinc's funds?
How will we prevent another user's property from being frozen by the few in the future?
What's the most fair powerdown period for the user's and economy alike?
Should weighted stake voting continue for governance?
How do we decentralize Steem?
We are under huge conflicts among all different parties on Steem community since Tron Foundation has acquired Steemit inc. This situation is getting serious between the previous witnesses who proceeded 0.22.2 fork versus Tron (Justin Sun), which makes our community is split apart and core devs left from Steem blockchain.
The devs didn't leave because of the Soft Forl 0.22.2 just so thats clear :)
I was present in the last two discussions in the SCT Discord and made a video with my feedback on the last discussion with Justin in the SCT Discord.
I highly recommend your community watch it, unfortunately it is in English as it is all I speak fluently, but I cover a lot of things I think is very important regarding the message Justin is spreading.
Whoever becomes the representative, please be sure to compile and curate a bunch of user questions, rather than witness-only questions. Though you technically represent the community, there is always more nuance among the people.
Assuming the debate will get heated and conflicting, I'd suggest a designated time period for quickfire round questions previously collated, so we can get the best of both worlds; user concerns, and technical debate.
Who is Steem Foundation, and why should we care what they think?
Thank you SCT for taking the initiative in these difficult times. The biggest issue that is repeatedly brought up time and time again, is the power down period. I agree that it should be reduced from the 13 weeks into something more manageable. On this point, everyone will have to make a compromise, but we will get there.
Speaking for myself, I refuse to entertain the notion that certain accounts obtain special power down rights. Furthermore, he has not declared formally which accounts are to be included and I get the feeling it will include his. Regardless, the power-down option is a right granted to ALL of us, written in our own code law, law that is decided by a consensus of yours, mine and our community.
I ask the Steem Foundation, who I nominate @aggroed to attend on behalf of the Steem Foundation, to set up a community vote on what the power-down time should be. For example 1, 2, 3 or 4 weeks. That we vote through the comments sections (one person, one vote) as we will be able to weed out bot accounts and newly created ones. On this decision, I don't think stake based voting will be the most efficient. The proposed power-down time with most voted gets enacted by the consensus witnesses and the HF is prepared as such. The witnesses represent us and therefore should honour this vote.
Please be careful of Mr Sun's words, as I am sure you are noticing are becoming conflicting, less truthful and honourable. In my view actions speak louder than words. His actions definitely prove that. Any promises he makes must be released via press release to the international media. Not one, where he will think he can delete on the Steem blockchain or Twitter. It is obvious he values his 'face' value tremendously and making him promise this way will pin himself to it, this for the whole world to see.
I wish you all the best in the negotiations and thank you,
It seems to me that neither side is budging at the moment. Some concessions might have to be made if we want to work together. Is a change to a powerdown of 4 weeks (been discussed as an option for the past couple of months) something that would appease Sun a bit? And then there's the question of STINCs ninja mine and the loose agreement that it would be used for community development. Where do we (the steem community) stand on that? Do we want 100% of it and fuck Sun, or could we negotiate a smaller amount (25%?) committed for some time (1 to 2 years?) to encourage Sun to stick around and grow the value of the community so he makes a profit over 25%? This could see SMTs developed and perhaps other ideas that are floating around out there. Would Sun make a concession like this, particularly if we make a concession of 4 weeks on powerdown?
So far, to me it seems like Justin has been lying and giving false promises. None of what he is saying is really matching his actions. I hope you won’t be tricked by false promises. I also hope I am wrong, and he actually delivers on all great talks. Good luck.
i see on your page are only korean posts with the sct tag,
how aware are people on your site about the situation?
Rather than having two people of the Korean community (Host and 1 Member) I believe there should be two witnesses of the previous top 20.
Those witnesses represent the entire community and not just a part of it since they were voted by most of the votes and stake.
Else, we would have to take a representative of the German, Brazilian, Spanish, etc communities too and I don't think that is fair.
Question for everyone participating
Do you believe that steeminc stake is supposed to be used for development of the blockchain or for steeminc shareholders profit?
Second one do you believe that steeminc stake should be able to vote ?
Dear Korean community, as requested we share our condensed vision of the future of Steem for all of us, with you: As these were originally to be discussed in the meeting which has been postponed, we like to share it right away. Bear in mind: due to timezones not everyone has shared their co-signature (for now):
This vision is currently co-signed by: @emrebeyler, @svemeric (@curie.witness), @stoodkev, @nicniezgrublem (@wise-team), @howo (@steempress), @followbtcnews, @gargon (@cervantes), @justineh, @ausbitbank, @pgarcgo (@cervantes), @therealwolf, @aggroed, @pharesim, @ats-witness, @fredrikaa (@steempress), @actifit, @lemouth (@stem.witness), @cryptodrive, @guiltyparties, @waivio @followbtcnews, @gandalf (@gtg), @good-karma, @arcange and @roelandp.
Others can add their acceptance of the Steem United for All vision by commenting below
Why Korean community only? Are other communities worse than Korean one?
If Steem blockchain can be kept only by censorship cracking opposing opinions, it should be disassembled. It is crime to keep such Steem blockchain by cracking freedom of speech. Cracking opposing opinions is crime both in real world and in cyber space too. It can be sued and Steem blockchain can be disassembled by any country's court decision. The criminals also can be sued and punished by any country's police or FBI.
스팀 블록체인이 반대 의견을 탄압해야만 유지가 된다면, 스팀 블록체인은 해체되어야 한다. 언론의 자유를 탄압하는 것은 현실 세계에서나 사이버 공간에서나 범죄이고, 어느 나라의 법원 판결에 의해서건 언론 탄압 스팀 블록체인은 해체 될 수 있다. 그 범죄자들 역시 어느 나라의 경찰이나 FBI 에 의해서 처벌될 수도 있다.
(This is not a spam, but a face-to-face talk, the only allowed possible way of delivering the cracked victim's opinion in this opposition cracking severely-censored Steem. Freedom of Speech !!
이것은 스팸이 아니다. 반대의견을 탄압하는 검열 심한 스팀에서 희생자의 의견을 전달하는 유일하게 허용된 대면 대화 일 뿐이다. 언론의 자유 !! )
[Steem: Freedom] DownVote DownVoting-ManSlaughterers. v.8.0.2, Strategy, News & List .다운보팅 학살자를 다운보팅 하자. 전략, 뉴스와 목록. ( https://staging.busy.org/@bewarecenterbase/steem-freedom-downvote-downvoting-manslaughterers-v-8-0-2-strategy-news-and-list ) Yet Censor-Free busy.org link. 아직 언론자유 busy.org 링크 ( https://steemit.com/steem/@bewarecenterbase/steem-freedom-downvote-downvoting-manslaughterers-v-8-0-2-strategy-news-and-list ) Evil Steem-Censor Block this link. Just for Evidence. 검열 접근불가 steemit 링크. 단순 증거용. 2020.02.28.Fri.07:51 (utc+9), by @BewareCenterBase,
[Steem: deMerit] Steem is Not Currency when DownVote Denies Currency's Characters such as Private Property Right and Liberty of Contract. v.1.1 [스팀蟲: 단점] 다운보팅으로 사유재산과 계약자유 부정하는 스팀은 화폐가 아니다. ( https://busy.org/@bewarecenterbase/2anemg-steem-demerit-steem-is-not-currency-when-downvote-denies-currency-s-characters-such-as-private-property-right-and-liberty-of ) Yet Censor-Free busy.org link. 아직 언론자유 busy.org 링크 ( https://steemit.com/steem/@bewarecenterbase/2anemg-steem-demerit-steem-is-not-currency-when-downvote-denies-currency-s-characters-such-as-private-property-right-and-liberty-of ) Evil Steem-Censor Block this link. Just for Evidence. 검열 접근불가 steemit 링크. 단순 증거용. 2019.12.20.Fri.14:02 (utc+9), by @BewareCenterBase, 2019.09.11.Wed, 06:53 (utc+9), by @BewareCenterBase
[Steem: deMerit] Down-vote is Evil Political Solution to Technical Shortcomings. [스팀蟲: 단점] 다운보팅은 기술 부족에 대한 사악한 정치적 해법. ( https://steemit.com/kr/@bewarecenterbase/steem-demerit-down-vote-is-evil-political-solution-to-technical-shortcomings ) ( https://staging.busy.org/@bewarecenterbase/steem-demerit-down-vote-is-evil-political-solution-to-technical-shortcomings ) 2019.09.11.Wed, 06:26 (utc+9), by @BewareCenterBase
[Steem: deMerit] Steem with DownVote is not Money or Currency. [스팀蟲: 단점] 다운보팅 있는 스팀은 화폐가 아니다. ( https://steemit.com/kr/@bewarecenterbase/steem-demerit-steem-with-downvote-is-not-money-or-currency ) ( https://staging.busy.org/@bewarecenterbase/steem-demerit-steem-with-downvote-is-not-money-or-currency ) 2019.09.16.Mon, 17:53 (utc+9), by @BewareCenterBase
[Steem: deMerit] Steem with DownVote is not Money or Currency (2/n) - Bank Analogy. [스팀蟲: 단점] 다운보팅 있는 스팀은 화폐가 아니다. 은행 사례. ( https://steemit.com/kr/@bewarecenterbase/steem-demerit-steem-with-downvote-is-not-money-or-currency-2-n-bank-analogy ) ( https://staging.busy.org/@bewarecenterbase/steem-demerit-steem-with-downvote-is-not-money-or-currency-2-n-bank-analogy ) 2019.09.23.Mon, 13:19 (utc+9), by @BewareCenterBase
[Steem: deMerit] How to view Steem is, Not by whitepaper's forcing, but by each user's free perception. [스팀蟲: 단점] 스팀을 어떻게 볼 것인가는 백서의 강요가 아니라, 각자 자유 인식에 의해서이다. ( https://steemit.com/kr/@bewarecenterbase/steem-demerit-how-to-view-steem-is-not-by-whitepaper-s-forcing-but-by-each-user-s-free-perception ) ( https://staging.busy.org/@bewarecenterbase/steem-demerit-how-to-view-steem-is-not-by-whitepaper-s-forcing-but-by-each-user-s-free-perception ) 2019.09.17.Tue, 08:01 (utc+9), by @BewareCenterBase
[스팀蟲: 단점] 특권층의 자뻑 자비에 의존하는 문제 해결 구조, (1/n) [steem: demerit] OverDog's Self-Fucked Mercy dependent Problem Solving. ( https://steemit.com/kr/@bewarecenterbase/1-n-steem-demerit-overdog-dependent-problem-solving ) ( https://staging.busy.org/@bewarecenterbase/1-n-steem-demerit-overdog-dependent-problem-solving ) 2019.08.14.Wed, 06:39 (utc+9), by @BewareCenterBase
[Steem : For Freedom] Freedom is More Important than Steem BlockChain itself. 자유는 스팀 블록체인보다 더 중요하다. ( https://steemit.com/kr/@bewarecenterbase/steem-for-freedom-freedom-is-more-important-than-steem-blockchain-itself ) ( https://staging.busy.org/@bewarecenterbase/steem-for-freedom-freedom-is-more-important-than-steem-blockchain-itself ) 2019.09.23.Mon.09:20 (utc+9), by @BewareCenterBase,
[Steem: Freedom] Evidence of Steem-Censor (1) link broken; 스팀 검열 증거 (1) 링크 파괴, v.1.1.1 ( https://staging.busy.org/@bewarecenterbase/steem-freedom-evidence-of-steem-censor-1-link-broken-1-v-1-1-1 ) Yet Censor-Free busy.org link. 아직 언론자유 busy.org 링크 ( https://steemit.com/steem/@bewarecenterbase/steem-freedom-evidence-of-steem-censor-1-link-broken-1-v-1-1-1 ) Evil Steem-Censor Block this link. Just for Evidence. 검열 접근불가 steemit 링크. 단순 증거용. 2019.12.17.Tue.10:30 (utc+9), by @BewareCenterBase,
[Steem: Token] BEWARE Token Published / BEWARE 토큰 출시 안내. World 1st Message Token. 세계 최초의 메시지 토큰, Beware Center Base ! (覺 中本 ! 경계하라, 중앙본위 ! Satoshi, Nakamoto ! ( https://steemit.com/steem/@bewarecenterbase/beware-beware-center-base-satoshi-nakamoto ) evil Steem-Censor may Block this link. 검열 접근불가 steemit 링크 ( https://staging.busy.org/@bewarecenterbase/beware-beware-center-base-satoshi-nakamoto ) yet Censor-Free busy link. 아직 언론자유 busy 링크 2019.12.10.Tue.17:06 (utc+9), by @BewareCenterBase,
[Steem: Scam] Evidence that Steem is Scam: inEquality. (2) 스팀이 사기 인 이유: 불평등; Ninja-mined-witness and their dev. slaves are protected from DownVote. 닌자 채굴 증인 방탄 ! ( https://staging.busy.org/@bewarecenterbase/steem-scam-evidence-that-steem-is-scam-inequality-2-ninja-mined-witness-and-their-dev-slaves-are-protected-from-downvote ) Yet Censor-Free busy.org link. 아직 언론자유 busy.org 링크 ( https://steemit.com/steem/@bewarecenterbase/steem-scam-evidence-that-steem-is-scam-inequality-2-ninja-mined-witness-and-their-dev-slaves-are-protected-from-downvote ) Evil Steem-Censor Block this link. Just for Evidence. 검열 접근불가 steemit 링크. 단순 증거용. 2019.12.26.Thu.09:14 (utc+9), by @BewareCenterBase;
[Steem=Scam] Steem Lie and Deceive Users. Evidence (3). [스팀=사기] 거짓말로 사용자 속이는 증거 (3) ( https://staging.busy.org/@bewarecenterbase/steem-scam-steem-lie-and-deceive-users-evidence-3-3 ) Yet Censor-Free busy.org link. 아직 언론자유 busy.org 링크 ( https://steemit.com/steem/@bewarecenterbase/steem-scam-steem-lie-and-deceive-users-evidence-3-3 ) Evil Steem-Censor Block this link. Just for Evidence. 검열 접근불가 steemit 링크. 단순 증거용. 2020.01.07.Tue.09:14 (utc+9), by @BewareCenterBase, Original 2020.01.07.Tue.08:53 (utc+9) at @CineFilm https://steemit.com/sct/@lucky222/3ob7ry#@cinefilm/q3pmdg (if blocked by Scam Steemit, see https://busy.org/sct/@lucky222/3ob7ry#@cinefilm/q3pmdg )
[Steem] Promise Required for Fair Witness Vote. [스팀] 증인 투표 개선 사항. ( https://steemit.com/steem/@bewarecenterbase/steem-promise-required-for-witness-vote ) Yet Censor-Free busy.org link. 아직 언론자유 busy.org 링크 ( https://staging.busy.org/@bewarecenterbase/steem-promise-required-for-witness-vote ) Evil Steem-Censor Block this link. Just for Evidence. 검열 접근불가 steemit 링크. 단순 증거용. 2020.03.04.Wed.10:06 (utc+9), by @BewareCenterBase,
Hopefully we are on the Democratic side, not the Authoritarian side. Always choose Freedom above all.